Adding a record to the database #2
We have been trying to add our recordings to the record database, and are unable to due to not using the correct password. Please give advice.

Since you are listed in our Caller and Cuer Database, after your recordings are added, they are automatically cross-referenced to the Caller and Cuer Database. Hence someone viewing the Record Database can click on your name and then view your caller information; likewise someone viewing your Caller and Cuer Database entry will also see a list of your recordings.

To add a recording to the Record Database, we need the following information:

1. the Label
2. the Label Number
3. the Title
4. the Record Type (e.g., Singing Call, Patter, Round, Contra...)
5. the (singing) Artist(s)
6. the Cue Sheet (optional)

Send your request to  Debbie Ceder.

Are my old 78 records worth anything?
I've just found some old 78's which I had forgotten about. They have the calls on one side and the music on the other I'm interested to find out if they are of any use to anyone and if they are worth anything? Any suggestions?

I'm not sure what their value should be. New records (45 rpm) sell for about US $5 each; old records sell for about $1 to $2.50. Your records are out-of-print, and may be worth more.

You could try to work out a deal with me (since I'm interested), or you could try your luck on a service such as E-Bay.

In any case, the first step would be to make a list of the records. Be sure to include the 'title', 'label', 'label-number', and 'artist'.

Also, try to ascertain the quality of the records. Are they in good condition? Are they in their original jackets? Do they have visible scratches or dirt? Do they sound scratchy? Do they skip, hiss, or pop?

Database updates
How often is the database updated? Are all the records on the lists still needed or available?

We do not sell records or music of any kind. For that, please see our list of Record Dealers.

Some of them list the records that are currently out of print. We do not attempt to keep track of whether or not something in our database is still currently available for sale. We do, however, keep track of the number of records we personally own, along with how many copies of each we own. If we own more than one copy of a record, (see our excess records list) we are generally willing to trade one copy for a record we want (see our wish list) or for a record that we do not yet own.

Do you sell any MP3s?
I'm interested in the song "Oh Johnny" called by Mac McCullar for a seniors aerobics class. I am able to find this song on record but I only have the capability of downloading music or transferring from a CD. Do you sell any of your MP3s. If so what is the cost?

You should inquire of the record dealers about the availability of the record in MP3 format (e.g., Palomino records, Supreme Audio, etc.).

A list of Record Dealers can be found at http://www.ceder.net/recorddb/record_dealers.php

Getting a copy of the database program
Would you be willing to sell your record database? If so how much would you charge? What is it programmed in?

Since the program is entirely web-based, it will probably not meet your needs. I assume that you would like a record database that can run on a PC.

I sell a computer program, the Ceder Square Dance System (CSDS), which you may find useful. The program can play MP3 or WAV files, and has a Music Database which is similar to the record database. When calling a dance, I use MP3 files on a laptop computer instead of records or mini-disks.

How do I add a recording artist?
How do we add a Recording Artist listing to your site?

If you have a record to be added to the Record Database, please send us the following information, and we'll gladly add it to the database:

• Title
• Label
• Label Number
• Record Type (e.g., Square (patter, singer), Round)
• Artist(s)
• Cue Sheet (if possible)

Send your request to  Debbie Ceder

How do I find out what is on records before I buy them?

My name is Bobbie Smith. I live in Las Animas, Colorado. Las Animas High School has been sponsoring an annual event called Sante Fe Trail Day which is held on the last Friday of April. This year will be the 66th celebration. One of the highlights of the day is a square dance competition among the classes. Each class gets a coach who helps them for the four years they compete. The class I coach are seniors this year. This competion is something that is lots of fun for the students. They are allowed to start practicing on March the 1st each year which gives them about 8 weeks to practice. My group loves to dance to plus songs. One of their favorite moves is a Grand Spin. I remember learning this move in the 80's. I am looking for records that do not do the have the same moves for the heads and sides. I actually prefer four different figures. I have a few records that have the Grand Spin as one of the calls. I used to get my records from a record shop in Denver and I could preview them before I bought them so I would know what figures were on them but the shop that has closed. Last year my kids did "Hey Joe Hey Moe" called by Al Horn and also Pittsfield Drum and Bugle Corps by Kent Nyman. They like to do harder plus. I wish there were some place you could know what calls were on the record before you buy them. Could you tell me the names of some plus records that have Grand Spin on them. I would appreciate any help you could give me on how to find out what is on the records before I buy them. Thank you for any help you can give me.

At the present time, figures are only listed for records whose name is followed by '(cue sheet)'. For example, Rockin In Rosalie's Boat at http://www.ceder.net/recorddb/viewsingle.php?RecordId=386

The second menu line above the Record Database is a "Find by" menu. You can search for things in our Record Database by Title, Abbreviation, Artist, Cue Sheet, Label, Lyrics, Record ID or a more advanced Query. To find a specific call by that call's name, click on "Find by" Cue Sheet (e.g., http://www.ceder.net/recorddb/query_cuesheet.php, type the name of the call in the Find What box and click Go.

As for recommendations of 'fun and challenging' records, I would suggest

1. Bumble Bee Square - Wagon Wheel 119
2. Running Bear - Top 25303
3. Cross Over the Bridge - Windsor 5016
4. Pickle Up A Doodle - Windsor 4823

How do I join?
Hi There Im a caller in the united kingdom and purchase my square dance music from dosado.com. I was looking at your website and could not find a way to join as there was some music in your data base that interested me. I have converted all my music to mp3 and would be quite happy to trade or share with your website. Please tell me how I can join.

There is nothing to join.

Music-wise, I have a 'wish' list and an 'excess records' list. I am willing to trade records from my 'excess records' list for those on my 'wish' list.

Wish list = http://www.ceder.net/recorddb/wishlist.php
Excess records = http://www.ceder.net/recorddb/excess_records.php

How do I update my list of recordings?
How do I update the list of records that I have recorded?

 Debbie

• Label
• Label Number
• Type (singing call, patter, two-sided patter, round, etc.)
• Artist(s)
• Cue Sheet (if available)

More infomation on the data stored in the database can be found at http://www.ceder.net/recorddb/fields.php

Some artists or labels send me 'complimentary copies' and I put the information in the database.

Once a record that you've recorded is in the database, it will automatically show up on your Caller and Cuer Database entry.

How much do you pay for records?
I happen to come across your "wish list" for records on the internet. I would like to know how much you pay for good used records. I did see some on the list that I have. Do you pay the shipping cost?

Some of the records on my wishlist are there simply because I need to have them to complete my collection of a particular label, not because I have any particular desire to use the record.

As such, I would probably pay about $2 per record, with perhaps as much as $5 for an out-of-print record that I really want. Yes, shipping cost would also be added on top of that. But, once again, I'd prefer to trade for records on my excess records list.

I trade on a one-to-one basis and there is no money changing hands.

Looking for a new home for a record collection

My mother called square and round dances for many years. Now at age 89 she is done with it. She owns about 5000 45 rpm records and calling instructions for round and square dancing. I know nothing about this business and hope you can help. She is looking for a home for them hoping to sell them, but willing to donate them rather than sending them to the dump. Thanks for whatever help you can provide.

Donations are often accepted at places like libraries and/or universities. The Square Dance Foundation of New England used to own a huge collection of records, but I think they needed to downsize and gave away many of their records. Their website is http://www.sdfne.org/.

We have accepted many donations over the years in an attempt to archive one of each square dance record ever recorded. We are almost becoming a library of information on square dance records.

Contact Debbie for further assistance.

Missing records
I was just looking at the titles you have listed on your website for Sets-In-Order Records. I have a few that you don't have listed. I was wondering if you would be interested in a listing, or scans of the labels for this that I have.

1. Title
2. Label (SIO) and Label Number
3. Artist(s)
4. Cue Sheet

The cue sheet may be scanned, photocopied, or typed. Whatever is most convenient for you.

Cue sheets may be submitted in any format, however...

1. we prefer a format where we can cut+paste text.
2. We do not like DOC (MS WORD) files because of potential viruses.
3. TXT, RTF, or PDF files are preferred.
4. If you scan the cue sheet as an image, this is fine too.

Please send the cue sheet file(s) to  Debbie or upload them to our site via http://www.ceder.net/upload.php

Music Reproduction Rights
Our label would like to produce a CD with dance music. We are interested to get the reproduction rights for the following tracks: <list of tracks omitted> We hope you can help us, as we don't know the address (e-mail or fax) from the record labels: Hi Hat Records, Longhorn, Kalox Record, Belco and BIG MAC. Can you supply us with the addresses or E-mail for those labels?

• Music For Callers
• Callerlab's Music Producers Committee
• San Diego's Callers Association Square Dance Music website

No cue sheet?
Good Fire Going http://www.ceder.net/recorddb/viewsingle.php?RecordId=6637 WHY DO WE NOT HAVE A COPY OF THIS CUE SHEET?

If you find any record listed without a cue sheet (or find a record not listed at all) and you own this record, please send the missing information to  Debbie.

Ordering records
I looked at your website and saw several records that I would like to order. How much are the records? How do you go about ordering?

To purchase new records, see Record Dealers.

If you are interested in our Excess Records, please state what you're interested in, and what you're willing to pay and/or trade (see our Wish List).

Purchasing music
You do allow people to purchase music from your site, right? Can you please tell me how to go about doing so. I am feeling really stupid, but I cannot figure it out.

For a list of record dealers, see http://www.ceder.net/recorddb/record_dealers.php

On the other hand, I do have a few duplicate records that I'd be willing to part with, particularly if I can trade some of them for some records on my wish list.

See

• http://www.ceder.net/recorddb/excess_records.php and
• http://www.ceder.net/recorddb/wishlist.php

Rare record?
Silver Dollar / Silver Bells http://www.ceder.net/recorddb/viewsingle.php?RecordId=15504 I've got a copy of this In mint Condition, Just Wondered how rare it was.

Our Record Database is attempting to gather as much information about square dance recordings as possible (we are not, generally, interested in round dance records). To do this, we are willing to trade the extra copies we have of records we own for a copy of a record we do not own, or for which we need a better recording. We are not, in general, willing to purchase these copies, nor are we willing, in general, to sell the duplicate copies of records we own. People have attempted (and some are successful) in selling their records on auction websites, such as eBay. Prices range from $1 to $10 or more.

For most of the records in our database, a fairly small number were originally made, because the target market was comprised of a fairly small number of callers and maybe some dancers. If a record is out of print, someone who wants it may pay a fair price for it, but as vinyl is a medium that does not age well, the unknown quality may affect the desirability.

Your particular record was released circa 1966 and is nearly 50 years old. According to websites I found, this record is no longer in print. You can assume this means that it is fairly rare. I happen to know the owner of the label and can find out more information about this piece of music and whether there are plans to re-release it. Let me know if you are interested in more information.

Record collection for sale

My brother, a caller for over 40 years, recently passed away. He amassed a large collection of records. He had everything -- 78's, 45's, LP's, CD's -- square dance music to rock. Do you know of a dealer or other outlet that may be interested in purchasing any of these records? Unfortunately, so far I haven't found a complete list of just what he had. If I have to go through and make a list, it's going to take some time. Any assistance you can give me will be greatly appreciated.

1. Try selling them online on something such as EBay;
2. Contact local callers and offer to sell them;
3. Donate them to a local caller's assocation.

Most of the records probably aren't worth much, except perhaps as historical interest. Modern square dance music has better recording quality and is preferred by most callers. Old record collections also tend to accumulate a lot of dust and scratches, and are generally useless, unless they are digitized and cleaned up (noise reduction). As such, I would venture to say that most of your records are only worth about 10 cents to a dollar, with an average of 25 cents or so. Occasionally, of course, there's an old out-of-print record that may be worth $10 or $20 to the right caller.

Donating them to a local caller's association might be the right thing to do.

We are documenting square dance music on our online 'Record Database', and, as such, would be interested in obtaining copies of any records that we don't currently have. If you have time, please look at our record database, perhaps searching by record label via http://www.ceder.net/recorddb/query_label.php and reserve some of the ones that we don't have. We aren't willing to pay too much for them, but we'd love to have them.

Selling records without my permission
For You And Me The Sun Will Shine http://www.ceder.net/recorddb/viewsingle.php?RecordId=6199 Ham Wolfraim, my father died in 1985. I would like to know who is producing/copying and selling his records without my permission

The recordings by Ham Wolfraim are rather old, and I seriously doubt 1) whether they are still in print, and 2) whether they are in demand.

It's also quite probable that the recording contract allows the label owner to sell records without your explicit permission.

Where does the database information come from?
Where do you get information for the Record Database?

The Record Database also contains many records that I do not personally own. In this case, I have gathered the information from various sources. Sometimes a recording artist will send me a list of the records that they have recorded; other times a record company will provide me with a list of their records. Many individuals have sent me information on records that I do not own. If there are any errors in the information for records which I do not own, please send corrections to  Debbie.